Full list. 407/232 DVD threshold, 727/200 BD.
2017 12/11 – 12/17 Anime DVD List
| Anime Rank | All Rank | Last Rank | Week Sales | Total Sales | #Wks | Title |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 6 | 6,624 | 6,624 | 1 | Pokemon: Kimi ni Kimeta! RE | |
| 2 | 8 | 5,947 | 5,947 | 1 | ONE PIECE Log Collection: Sop | |
| 3 | 9 | 5,452 | 5,452 | 1 | Osomatsu-san Season 2 v1 | |
| 8 | 34 | 29 | 1,568 | 113,036 | 180 | Tonari no Totoro (2014 re-release) |
| 9 | 35 | 35 | 1,481 | 333,865 | 22 | Kimi no Na wa. RE |
| 11 | 45 | 21 | 1,283 | 5,696 | 5 | Soreike! Anpanman: Buruburu no Takarasagashi Daibouken! |
| 15 | 66 | 990 | 990 | 1 | Code:Realize: Sousei no Himegimi v1 | |
| 17 | 73 | 65 | 865 | 19,617 | 12 | Meitantei Conan Movie 21: Karakurenai no Love Letter RE |
| 18 | 77 | 793 | 793 | 1 | Card Captor Sakura DVD Box (re-release) | |
| 19 | 84 | 729 | 729 | 1 | Sengoku Night Blood v1 | |
| 20 | 86 | 70 | 716 | 17,737 | 21 | Doraemon: Nobita no Nankyoku Kachikochi Daibouken |
| 21 | 92 | 650 | 650 | 1 | THE IDOLM@STER Cinderella Girls Gekijou 2nd Season v2 | |
| 22 | 97 | 43 | 601 | 31,064 | 15 | Kono Sekai no Katasumi ni |
| 23 | 93 | 591 | 49,994 | 178 | Majo no Takkyuubin (2014 re-release) | |
| 24 | 85 | 559 | 6,996 | 7 | Crayon Shin-chan: Shuurai! Uchuujin Shiriri | |
| 25 | 502 | 502 | 1 | sin Nanatsu no Taizai v7 | ||
| 26 | 46 | 490 | 20,676 | 4 | Granblue Fantasy The Animation v7 | |
| 27 | 464 | 20,690 | 12 | Meitantei Conan Movie 21: Karakurenai no Love Letter LE | ||
| 28 | 440 | 440 | 1 | Hitorijime My Hero v4 | ||
| 29 | 427 | 37,303 | 143 | Sen to Chihiro no Kamikakushi (2017 re-release) | ||
| 30 | 407 | 19,810 | 97 | Gake no Ue no Ponyo (2017 re-release) | ||
| 248 | 248 | 1 | Just Because! v1 | |||
| 238 | 238 | 1 | Gochuumon wa Usagi Desu ka?? DVD Box |
| Other releases (concerts etc) | ||||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 46 | 1,254 | 1,254 | 1 | Nanbaka: Chou! Datsugoku Kageki (stage play) | ||
| 93 | 633 | 633 | 1 | ACCA13: Piece of Mind (live event) | ||
| 308 | 2,105 | 2 | Hayashibara Megumi 1st Live: Anata ni Ai ni Kite |
2017 12/11 – 12/17 Anime BD List
| Anime Rank | All Rank | Last Rank | Week Sales | Total Sales | #Wks | Title |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 1 | 41,768 | 41,768 | 1 | Love Live! Sunshine!! 2nd Season v1 | |
| 4 | 11 | 6,593 | 6,593 | 1 | Pokemon: Kimi ni Kimeta! LE | |
| 5 | 12 | 6,205 | 6,205 | 1 | THE IDOLM@STER Cinderella Girls Gekijou 2nd Season v2 | |
| 7 | 17 | 5,120 | 5,120 | 1 | Drifters OVA | |
| 8 | 19 | 4,939 | 4,939 | 1 | Made In Abyss v2 | |
| 9 | 20 | 4,922 | 4,922 | 1 | Princess Principal v4 | |
| 10 | 21 | 4,869 | 4,869 | 1 | Osomatsu-san Season 2 v1 | |
| 11 | 22 | 4,774 | 4,774 | 1 | Yuuki Yuuna wa Yuusha de Aru Season 2 v1 (Washio Sumi no Shou) | |
| 13 | 34 | 2,996 | 2,996 | 1 | Knight's & Magic v2 | |
| 14 | 37 | 2,730 | 2,730 | 1 | Kino no Tabi: The Beautiful World (2017) v1 | |
| 15 | 39 | 2,663 | 2,663 | 1 | Gochuumon wa Usagi Desu ka?? BD Box | |
| 16 | 40 | 2,513 | 2,513 | 1 | New Game!! v4 | |
| 18 | 45 | 1,999 | 1,999 | 1 | sin Nanatsu no Taizai v7 | |
| 19 | 47 | 1,806 | 1,806 | 1 | Just Because! v1 | |
| 20 | 56 | 1,349 | 1,349 | 1 | Fate/Kaleid liner Prisma Illya 2wei! / Herz BD Box | |
| 57 | 1,343 | 1,343 | 1 | Isekai Shokudou v4 | ||
| 63 | 1,193 | 1,193 | 1 | Dagashi Kashi BD Box | ||
| 65 | 1,158 | 1,158 | 1 | Konohana Kitan v1 | ||
| 66 | 1,131 | 1,131 | 1 | Meitantei Conan: Episode 'One' Chiisakunatta Meitantei | ||
| 69 | 1,092 | 1,092 | 1 | Card Captor Sakura BD Box (2017) | ||
| 76 | 969 | 969 | 1 | Pokemon: Kimi ni Kimeta! RE | ||
| 78 | 958 | 958 | 1 | Basilisk BD Box (2017) | ||
| 79 | 943 | 943 | 1 | Etotama BD Box | ||
| 82 | 902 | 902 | 1 | Hajimete no Gal v4 | ||
| 84 | 849 | 849 | 1 | Maison Ikkoku BD Box | ||
| 85 | 847 | 847 | 1 | Code:Realize: Sousei no Himegimi v1 | ||
| 87 | 815 | 815 | 1 | Koukaku Kidoutai Arise BD Box | ||
| 88 | 806 | 806 | 1 | Battle Girl High School v2 | ||
| 93 | 73 | 788 | 275,681 | 22 | Kimi no Na wa. RE | |
| 99 | 22 | 727 | 11,763 | 3 | Kidou Senshi Gundam Thunderbolt Bandit Flower | |
| 719 | 719 | 1 | Dies Irae v1 | |||
| 529 | 529 | 1 | Sengoku Night Blood v1 | |||
| 522 | 522 | 1 | Boku no Kanojo ga Majimesugiru Sho-bitch na Ken v1 | |||
| 501 | 501 | 1 | Mangaka-san to Assistant-san to BD Box | |||
| 383 | 383 | 1 | Nobunaga no Shinobi | |||
| 308 | 308 | 1 | Mashiro-iro Symphony BD Box (2017) | |||
| 299 | 299 | 1 | Urusei Yatsura BD Box v1 | |||
| 287 | 287 | 1 | Space Adventure Cobra Movie (4K UDH) | |||
| 286 | 286 | 1 | Urusei Yatsura BD Box v2 | |||
| 270 | 270 | 1 | Tari Tari BD Box (2017) | |||
| 219 | 219 | 1 | Two Car v1 | |||
| 211 | 211 | 1 | Nagasarete Airantou BD Box | |||
| 200 | 200 | 1 | Canaan BD Box (2017) |
| Other releases (concerts etc) | ||||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 24 | 4,192 | 20,491 | 12 | The IDOLM@STER SideM 1st Stage: ST@RTING! (Complete Side) | ||
| 28 | 3,621 | 3,621 | 1 | Girls und Panzer Movie: Cinematic Concert (live event) | ||
| 31 | 3,215 | 3,215 | 1 | Mimori Suzuko Live 2017: Tropical Paradise | ||
| 75 | 6 | 986 | 9,032 | 2 | Hayashibara Megumi 1st Live: Anata ni Ai ni Kite | |
| 96 | 758 | 758 | 1 | ACCA13: Piece of Mind (live event) |
Fall update:
LL Sunshine s2 v1 sells 41,768. Event ticket. 62.7% underestimated. Down from 66,912 s1v1wk1 (83.5k total) so despite being considerably more underestimated this season, even this franchise isn’t immune from considerable sequel drops (40% wk1). Of course, this year has had much more drastic drops, such as… ↓
Osomatsu-san s2 v1 sells 4869/5452, total 10,321. Event ticket. 15.0% under/10.7% overestimated. Holy shit, I didn’t think less than 15k was remotely possible, but just compare how close Stalker’s estimate was (almost perfect when combined) to the massive underestimation s1 had. Animate seriously abandoned this show. I know the event tickets may not be comparable between seasons, and that can make a huge difference. Just look at Cingeki. But if we compare this to the lowest-selling non-ticket volume of s1 (33k wk1, 44k total) it’s still absolutely brutal. This is officially the finishing blow of a year that has waged ruthless violence against high profile sequels.
Yuyuyu s2 v1 sells 4,774. 35.9% underestimated. This release needs some explaining: it’s being released as two BD sets of half a cour each, with the accompanying DVD volumes coming out monthly. The DVD did not rank. The first set is a TV cut of the Washio Sumi films, which were already sold at theaters. They were not tracked by Oricon but a MBS producer said they sold over 7 each. Presumably some people who bought those saw no need to re-buy the material in the TV release. But they may be interested in the second (Yuusha) volume, which is new material, a direct sequel to s1. Will that volume see much higher sales? So far it’s not ranking all that much better than the Washio Sumi volume, but it’ll be interesting to see.
Kino ’17 v1 sells 2,730 as a BD-only release. 40.1% underestimated.
Just Because v1 sells 1806/248, total 2,054. 0.8% under/16.2% overestimated.
Code:Realize v1 sells 847/990, total 1,837. Event ticket. 92.5%/11.2% underestimated.
Night Blood v1 sells 529/729, total 1,258. Event ticket. 364.0%/224.0% underestimated.
Konohana Kitan v1 sells 1,158 BDs, DVDs do not rank. Event ticket. 21.2% overestimated.
Dies Irae v1 sells 719 BDs, DVDs do not rank. 22.1% underestimated.
Sho-bitch v1 sells 522 BDs, DVDs do not rank. 13.4% overestimated.
Two Car v1 sells 219 BDs, DVDs do not rank. 95.5% underestimated.
Deremas Gekijou s2 v2 sells 6205/650, total 6,855.
v1s not ranked in either format
2017/12/20 Ousama Game The Animation v1
Summer update:
Made In Abyss v2, final volume, sells 4,939 BDs, DVDs do not rank. Series average: 5,504.
Pripri v4 sells 4,922 BDs, DVDs do not rank.
Knight’s v2 sells 2,996 as a BD-only release.
New Game s2 v4 sells 2,513 BDs, DVDs do not rank.
Isekai Shokudou v4 sells 1,193 BDs, DVDs do not rank.
Hajimete no Gal v4 sells 902 BDs, DVDs do not rank.
Batoga HS v2 sells 806 BDs, DVDs do not rank.
Hitorijime v4 sells 440 DVDs, BDs in the full list maybe.
Past seasons:
Nobunaga no Shinobi sells 383 as a BD-only release. Stalker didn’t rack it, so no estimate to compare to. One-shot release, so Series average: 383. This was a Fall 2016 show they apparently just decided to release now.
sin Nanatai v7, final volume, sells 1999/502, total 2,501. Series average: 2,752.
Granblue v7, final volume, adds 490 DVDs, total 46,206. Series average: 45,223.
OVAs, Movies, Boxsets etc:
Drifers OVA (“episodes 13-14”) sells 5,120 as a BD-only release.
Gochiusa s2 Box sells 2663/238, total 2,901. Rare to get a DVD release of a box for a show like this.
CCS Box sells 1092/793, total 1,885. This show has seen a number of re-releases, so the re-release average is now 12,832 on top of the 19,418 original sales.
Prisma Illya s2-3 BD Box sells 1,349. This includes 2wei and 2wei Herz in one box.
Dagashi Kashi BD Box sells 1,193.
Basilisk BD Box sells 958. Previous BD box sold 654 so re-release total is 1,612. Including a earlier DVD box, 2,206.
Mangaka-san BD Box sells 501.
Mashiro-iro BD Box sells 308. Previous BD box sold 374 so re-release total is 682.
Tari Tari BD Box sells 270. Previous BD box sold 1,923 so re-release total is 2,193.
Nagasarete BD Box sells 211.
Canaan BD Box sells 200. Previous BD box sold 522 so re-release total is 722.
Upcoming Releases for 2017 12/25 – 12/31
2017/12/25 Animegataries v1
2017/12/25 Animegataries v2
2017/12/25 Animegataries v3
2017/12/25 Animegataries v4
2017/12/25 Animegataries v5
2017/12/25 Animegataries v6
2017/12/25 Owari no Seraph BD Box
2017/12/27 18if v4
2017/12/27 Ballroom e Youkoso v2
2017/12/27 Blend S v1
2017/12/27 Fate/Apocrypha v1
2017/12/27 Juuni Taisen v1
2017/12/27 Katsugeki Touken Ranbu v6
2017/12/27 Owarimonogatari Season 2 v3 (Ougi Dark)
2017/12/27 Re:Creators v7
2017/12/27 Senki Zesshou Symphogear AXZ v4
2017/12/27 Shoukoku no Altair v2
2017/12/27 THE IDOLM@STER SideM v1
2017/12/27 Wake Up Girls! Shinshou v1
2017/12/29 Shingeki no Bahamut Virgin Soul v4
Six more v1s. Animagataries is doing a weird BDs in a box alongside six DVD singles all released he same day. Why not just do a DVD box? Who knows! Besides re-purposing discs already being produced for rental I guess.
Hope Made in Abyss can match or overshoot the numbers from the 1st box set. I’ve heard an average series cost ¥200M to produce, possibly more for MiA since it has 13 episodes and the last episode is twice the length of an average episode. Projection seems to imply the sales will hit the ¥200M mark, which would mean the studio would be breaking even. This is of course not including extraneous stuff like taxes and things like that, but merchandising should make up for it.
Unfortunately it’s a lot more complicated than just taking MSRP * Oricon and calling that the revenue for the show.
For one, the studio didn’t fund the anime, at least not entirely. Made in Abyss is funded by a production committee made up of:
Cygames
Takeshobo
Kinema Citrus
AT-X
Sony Music Communications
Kanetsu Investment
Global Solutions
Kadokawa Media House
Kinema Citrus is third on the committee – not a super low spot, but definitely not the primary funders of the show either. We don’t know the % breakdown, but I’d expect Cygames and Takeshobo make up the lion’s share.
Complicating the revenue numbers is that the retailer gets a cut of the sale, of course. We don’t know exactly how much the committee makes back, but estimates are roughly 55%. That’d mean they’ve made a bit over ¥100m back.
Except, Oricon’s number isn’t the full sales. They don’t fully cover the market, and the number of units the publisher shipped (which is what they’re paid for) is definitely higher. Sometimes a lot higher. So even that ¥100m is really shaky from the start.
Also, whatever the number actually is, it’s being split among multiple companies. Normally, I’d say the video publisher would get most of it, but oddly enough the publisher (Kadokawa) is only on the committee at the very bottom. That’s rare! Usually they’re first, sometimes second. Instead, it’s Cygames of all people who are at the top. It’s likely that they’ve worked something out to get most of the video disc revenue (after all, they’re paying the most to get the show made), but we really have no idea.
So there’s many complications and unanswered questions, enough that we can’t really say how much money discs made, who got it, or how significant it was in the committee’s decision to greenlight a second season. But we do know there will be a second season. In that case what we can say is “enough of the committee members were happy enough with their return on investment from the relevant revenue streams (manga, BDs, merch, licensing, etc) to fund a continuation”. Anything more specific than that is a blind guess.
Biz leak thread from the Chinese forum:
https://tieba.baidu.com/p/5493867596
Oh, annoying, it was hidden away on the second page. I’m happy this forum at least bothers to post stuff unlike the JP forums, but man it’s such a badly managed forum.
Thanks, Will update the post.
Updated with the additional v1 leaks. Not going to bother to add all the BD boxes and such now, I’ll get them with the full list.
am i blind or did you not add Houseki no Kuni?
CG show, not covered by this site.
It actually did pretty good, 6K+ I believe just a bit lower than Ancient Magus Bride.
Definitely overshot the predicted sales from a while back, I’m pleased. Hope it’s enough for a season 2, though I’ve read that the production for HnK was very laborious and lengthy, even having to hand draw some scenes and then 3D animate over them.
Hmm so it’s gonna be 1. LLSS2 2. SideM 3. Osomatsu
Kinda sad about LLSS2’s number. It’s the first time I bought multiple volumes cause vol 1 was so cheap… But at least the rest of other vol will sell about the same… right? Except for volume 7, but I’m 95% sure, they will announce another live ticket for Vol 7 soon or later.
Hard to say about the other volumes. They’re more similar in scope to the v1 ticket than s1’s later volumes were to its v1 ticket, so the drop could be reasonable. First we’ll have to see how v2 does. It’s following a Location 1 Morning/Night, Location 2 Morning/Night, Location 3 Morning/Night pattern for the six volumes/shows on the tour. Certainly having an all-ticket release for an actively popular musical act gives it a much better cushion than Shingeki or Osomatsu-san had.
Well osomatsu san rules out time as a factor to maintaining these astronomical s1 performances that arent replicated with sequels. I guess casual anime fans arent interested in getting s2s of their shows to own which is odd.
Wonder if declined sequel performancs will follow in 2018. Poor yuri on ice (assuming it gets an s2) and granblue.
Wasn’t Granblue’s success mainly down to the Mobage bonuses rather than the show itself? If they include more in s2’s release the sales could be replicated.
When it comes to YOI’s movie / likely s2, the factors are a different to something like Osomatsu or BBB&B in that it’s an original story. My guess is that it’s going to come down to how fans react to the how the story progresses, especially with the romance. If it pleases the existing fanbase in that respect and others I can see it performing reasonably well. That’s just my hunch though.
Osomatsu-san may as well have been an original anime as far as its current fanbase is concerned. I don’t expect many people scooping up those s1 event tickets were thinking about the 1960s manga series.
So I’d have very, very tempered expectations for YOI. Not saying it’ll be the next Shingeki or Osomatsu. And since its next entry is a movie, we don’t really have a baseline to compare it too. I can’t say how much it “should” sell.. though less than ¥1bn box office and 75k discs would definitely get into disappointing territory. A season two, though? No idea what’ll happen to that.
Should have been clearer – Osomatsu could be considered original, but what I meant was it didn’t have a real story – there was a memetic quality to it all when it aired, but not a massive amount to draw people back in 2 years after and encourage them to continue forking over money. I could be wrong about that being one of the reasons for Osomatsu’s drop, but at least it’s a pretty big difference between it and YOI.
Yeah but Osomatsu is a gag anime, usually 2 short skits every episode unlike YOI.
Actually I’m surprised you kinda doubt YOI, it’s the best selling woman-targeted anime yeeeet BD/DVD sales with or without ticket were so stable, so I honestly think YOI S2/movie sales won’t end up like Osomatsu (except problem like the writers f*cked up occurs).
(Though I only watched 4 episodes of YOI, not my cup of tea :3 Hopefully YOI’s sales will keep strong, just because bigots tears are so delicious :p)
It’s not really specific to YOI. After this year I doubt everything. Except Symphogear I guess.
I think that the biggest reason of all the low numbers is the overall quality of these sequels. Osumatsu-san, above all, didn’t even scratch the quality of season one. I think the actual numbers are pretty good considering what was presented. About YOI, I think the show has a very strong production, so what comes next won’t depend on hit-or-miss. If the production keep the same quality of first season (Or even better, considering it’s a movie), I don’t see a reason to a flop. I’m pretty confident myself, as it looks promising judging what we already have.
I shy away from using subjective notions of quality as a rationale, it’s too difficult to pin down in any meaningful way. There’s no shortage of sequels I thought were better than sold considerably less. And we’re still talking about drops that are far too vast to be attributed to “it wasn’t quite as good as s1”. If Osomatsu-san’s drop were purely about people liking it less, a drop this big would have required howls of rage from the fandom, not something of a collective shoulder shrug. Same deal with Shingeki. I’ve also heard mostly good things about Kekkaisen’s sequel. And we’re about to get another collapse with Hoozuki s2. And so on. It’s just very unlikely to me that fans hated all of these sequels *so much* that they could drop anywhere near this much.
It’ll be interesting to see how the newly announced Tiger & Bunny fares.
What are the running theories on the sequel-collapse trend? Will it lead to fewer sequels being greenlit down the line (remembering that the Shingeki and Osomatsu sequels would probably have been considered successes if they had been first-season series)?
Got a similar question on CC recently: https://curiouscat.me/somekindofthing/post/265171817
These drops aren’t great, but I don’t think it’ll reduce the number of sequels. A sequel that drops a lot is still generally going to be a safer bet than a new show. Of course this depends on so many different factors… disc sales are an imperfect measure of franchise success.
What would be interesting is if the industry saw this as a reason to change how they go about things and try to become more flexible to cash in and ride a hype wave. Maybe take more risks on multi-cour contracts or even open ended series like we had in the olden times. It appears open ended = no sales, maybe it scares away the collectors when they know they’d be in for financial ruin. What if we look back at something like FMA at about a 4-cour length and also a great big hit? This might explain the whole split-cour experiments we have seen other than just scheduling with the studios?
I’d think higher uncertainty incentivizes shorter shows, not longer. That’s why we see mostly one cour series. The biggest benefit a franchise will receive, in most cases, is from its first adaptation. A sequel only kinda makes sense if 1) the anime was fairly profitable in and of itself, or 2) the expense of making more anime is small enough relative to the gains that it’s making for the franchise as a whole. For recent examples (ignoring morning anime where it’s the norm) shows like Souma and HeroAca can keep going because it doesn’t matter that they barely move any discs. Tons of people watch them and they’re highly popular internationally too. But making most unproven series 3+ cour is really risky.
It’s also difficult production-wise. You’d have to see a decrease in the number of anime made before we could support 2+ cour as a common thing.
>Night Blood v1 sells 529/729, total 1,258. Event ticket. 364.0%/224.0% underestimated.
This actually did better than I expected, considering the absolute lack of hype for it.
>Dies Irae v1 sells 719 BDs, DVDs do not rank. 22.1% underestimated.
Ouch. Isn’t the VN popular? And could its poor performance be a bad omen for what is already a declining appetite for anime adaptations of VNs?
>Sho-bitch v1 sells 522 BDs, DVDs do not rank. 13.4% overestimated.
I watched the show so it’s kind of sad to see this, but you could see it coming from a mile away; discussion was dead everywhere, the preorder predictions were very low, and let’s be honest: the show was pretty forgettable and wasn’t exactly that good.
>Ouch. Isn’t the VN popular? And could its poor performance be a bad omen for what is already a declining appetite for anime adaptations of VNs?
Popular enough to get crowdfunding behind it for the adaptation, popular enough to sell lots of copies? Maybe not. It’s a pretty niche game from a few years ago and people have already put money down for it once.
I don’t know if you’ve watched the show, but it’s absolutely terrible, probably the worst VN adaptation I’ve ever seen. So that probably isn’t helping matters either.
Updated with the full list.
When does the next list come out?
Today: https://www.someanithing.com/8722
Full list for that week probably soon, data for the week of Jan 1 should be back to the normal schedule I think.
Wow, I feel bad for ‘Two Car’, which I actually enjoyed. I knew it wouldn’t do well, but 219 BDs is rather depressing.
Pretty new to anime how much does a anime have to sell to get a season 2?
Disc sales alone don’t determine a sequel. They help, sometimes a lot, but it’s really complicated.
Anime (at least the late night anime we track here) are funded not by single companies, but by a group of companies called a Production Committee. Those companies invest differing amounts of money, and are responsible for different things. One might be a BD publisher, another a music label, or a print publisher, or a TV station, or a figure manufacturer, or a streaming service, and so on.
Getting a sequel requires making enough of those investors happy enough that they decide a second season is a good idea. It may also depend on, say, whether the core creative staff are available. Or whether there’s enough source material left, if it’s an adaptation. Or any number of other factors.
So while higher discs sales correlates decently well to getting sequels (more because they are often evidence that the show has a solid fanbase than because of the disc revenue in and of itself), shows with low disc sales can get sequels too. And shows with high disc sales may get no sequels. There are many, many different variables to consider.